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Is Witch Lord considered undead versus the spirit blade?

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Re: Is Witch Lord considered undead versus the spirit blade?

Postby Pancho » August 23rd, 2019, 1:37 am

The missing 5O got struck down by the spirit blade whilst they were stood around pretending that they weren’t actually undead.


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Re: Is Witch Lord considered undead versus the spirit blade?

Postby Goblin-King » August 23rd, 2019, 5:20 am

Maybe it was a test to see how much of a bunch of geeks you guys really are? :lol: :banana:


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Re: Is Witch Lord considered undead versus the spirit blade?

Postby Anderas » August 23rd, 2019, 6:49 am

You just showed that you are the geek. What do we bet that you are used to count zero-based? :lol:


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Re: Is Witch Lord considered undead versus the spirit blade?

Postby The Admiral » August 23rd, 2019, 12:09 pm

Goblin-King wrote:He is a skeleton awakened from a freaking TOMB!
Yes, he's undead!


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Re: Is Witch Lord considered undead versus the spirit blade?

Postby Uncle_Elvis » August 30th, 2019, 10:03 pm

Would like to point out, he is not the only Witch King and Malekith is not undead.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Malekith


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Re: Is Witch Lord considered undead versus the spirit blade?

Postby j_dean80 » August 31st, 2019, 9:18 am

Uncle_Elvis wrote:Would like to point out, he is not the only Witch King and Malekith is not undead.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Malekith


That is an elf king who is a witch. Not the same.
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Re: Is Witch Lord considered undead versus the spirit blade?

Postby Uncle_Elvis » September 2nd, 2019, 12:00 am

j_dean80 wrote:
Uncle_Elvis wrote:Would like to point out, he is not the only Witch King and Malekith is not undead.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Malekith


That is an elf king who is a witch. Not the same.



Of course it is not the same. I said as much. Pointing out, neither the title nor returning from some gruesome injury/awakening/whatever is unique to the HQ character. Neither of those two facets make the character undead, as Malekith checks those same boxes and is definitely alive.


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Re: Is Witch Lord considered undead versus the spirit blade?

Postby Maurice76 » September 2nd, 2019, 4:57 am

I've read the posts about him not being an Undead because of intelligence and possessing a spirit and such ... but Undead are vile creatures that depend on necromantic powers to be able to shamble around and do whatever their master demands. I think it's undeniable that the Witch Lord has used necromancy to survive long past his normal expiration timer - and as such, would be vulnerable to the Blade's effect just as any "regular" Undead.

Note that the Necromancer in The Wizards or Morcar is still alive, even though he uses necromancy himself - he doesn't use it to sustain himself (yet).


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Re: Is Witch Lord considered undead versus the spirit blade?

Postby The Admiral » September 2nd, 2019, 11:01 am

Uncle_Elvis wrote:Would like to point out, he is not the only Witch King and Malekith is not undead.


Never heard of him, so I looked him up on tinternet. He looks positively healthy! Maybe a bit pasty in some pics, but clearly flesh and bone. As opposed to the With Lord who is just, well, bone. So while I don't know whether Malekith is undead or not, and I don't have to as he has never appeared in any quests I've played, and I've played alot, I am personaly 100% positive the WL is.


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Re: Is Witch Lord considered undead versus the spirit blade?

Postby Goblin-King » September 2nd, 2019, 11:22 am

Maurice76 wrote:I've read the posts about him not being an Undead because of intelligence and possessing a spirit and such ... but Undead are vile creatures that depend on necromantic powers to be able to shamble around and do whatever their master demands. I think it's undeniable that the Witch Lord has used necromancy to survive long past his normal expiration timer - and as such, would be vulnerable to the Blade's effect just as any "regular" Undead.

Note that the Necromancer in The Wizards or Morcar is still alive, even though he uses necromancy himself - he doesn't use it to sustain himself (yet).


In my head canon he is definitely a lich sort of creature.
In warhammer Fantasy, liches are undead necromancers that by their own power has managed to stave off real death.
A lich indeed has intelligence and free will, unlike the undead monsters he raises from the grave to do his bidding.

Also from a creative point of view, why would a game developer create a sword, whose only effect is being strong against undead - and then make it that the sword is the only thing that can hurt a specific character - and then make that character NOT an undead?
That will never make sense to me.

Also, just look at the damn box cover |_P
I know there are a couple of odd things throughout the covers that may seem a little "off", but I dare say Les Edwards has painted some paintings that seems like he very much understood the game he was painting for.


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