There and Back Again: When do YOU end the Quest?

[herman_the_german]

See the Indiana Jones DVD game for ideas. As soon as the objective is reached the temple starts falling apart, "random" tiles are taken out and Indy may very well get trapped if he's not careful. The game implementation of this is not really that great, but for such a simple game it works well enough.
On Heroquest you could destroy dungeon spaces randomly, but you might as well plan it out so that there is a logical solution.

[mitchiemasha]

If the Heroes have no monster to face on the exit, the EWP wasn't very good. If the heroes were that good, the EWP should of stepped the game up a bit.

We have Chaos Tokens and these add a lot. Also a roll of double 1 is bad, trip roll a skull lose a BP. A Hero wants to roll as lil movement dice per quest as possible. Trying to escape with 1 BP is now a big problem.

[SirRick]

If the heroes are role playing their characters to be morons weird things can happen. I was playing a friend's quest pack as the barbarian and elf, and another friend played as the dwarf and wizard. My chracters would always survive and do all the work while his characters would often die almost every quest. One such instance, the wizard wandered off in a different direction while i was fighting monsters in the hallway near the center room. The wizard walked into a room that contained one mummy. He lured the monster out into the hallway and cast veil of mist to run back into the room to search for treasure. He drew a wandering monster card which was another mummy. After a desperate fight the wizard was pummeled down to 1 body point but managed to run around both mummies and was sprinting down the hallway towards the stairway. Because of my large battle in the hallway, the wizard took an alternate route. Just a few spaces away from the door to the stairway room he stumbled into a spear trap that killed him. We didnt run into it earlier because i went the other way out of the starting room. This scenario is unlikely but you never know what could happen on the way out. In this case we forgot to seach for traps in the first hallway.

[GimmeYerGold]

you never know what could happen on the way out.

holy crap, your story above is what I'm talking about! Sure it was a headache at the time but it proves the point!!

[Daedalus]

Back in the day we had learned to end a Quest early after the objective was achieved. Generally, further exploring was just grinding for treasure--pretty dull after a climax.

I think the uncertainty of a Morcar/Zargon deck would add enough interest to make the return to the spiral stairway worthwhile...especially for M/Z! I'm with GimmeYerGold here.

[Gold Bearer]

If you're not playing with something like an EWP deck then there's no reason why the heroes shouldn't be able to move freely around explored areas (as long as they're working together of course) without the need to roll for movement. If you are playing with something like an EWP then it's worth taking turns as normal anyway so the problem kind of takes care of itself.

If the Heroes have no monster to face on the exit, the EWP wasn't very good. If the heroes were that good, the EWP should of stepped the game up a bit.

Making changes on the fly and thereby making everything that happens completely redundant. That is NOT good EWPing, in my opinion.

[Jafazo]

I meet somewhere in the middle between letting them teleport and forcing them to journey back.

Once players feel they've completed the quest I let them take their maximum dice roll of 12 spaces to move, no dice rolling needed. They usually just backtrack for treasure and if they forget which rooms they haven't checked I let them know. They might move around and look for secret doors and so on, but they ultimately call it quits and make their way back.

On those Evil Wizard Player card, I glanced at them but I don't agree with their implementation. All they seem to do is make life harder for the heroes and that's an imbalance if quests are designed to be as balanced as possible without throwing more crap their way. Making the trip back to the stairway isn't included as a dramatically challenging aspect of the game if you ask me. It could be, at times, like in Rescuing Sir Rangnar, but it isn't always a major focal point in things enough to warrant turning every trip back into some kind of mini-game. If Zargon decides to throw in something extra at the heroes way back to the stairs, great, but even doing that will get old eventually.

[Gold Bearer]

On those Evil Wizard Player card, I glanced at them but I don't agree with their implementation. All they seem to do is make life harder for the heroes and that's an imbalance if quests are designed to be as balanced as possible without throwing more crap their way.

You might prefer my random events then: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=3031

[slev]

On those Evil Wizard Player card, I glanced at them but I don't agree with their implementation. All they seem to do is make life harder for the heroes and that's an imbalance if quests are designed to be as balanced as possible without throwing more crap their way.

Which is why mine tie into other mechanics, since my "advanced" Heroes have extra abilities, my "event deck" sets up a time preasure to make sure those abilities cannot be abused and to prevent the Heroes deliberately grinding the game.

[mitchiemasha]

If the Heroes have no monster to face on the exit, the EWP wasn't very good. If the heroes were that good, the EWP should of stepped the game up a bit.

Making changes on the fly and thereby making everything that happens completely redundant. That is NOT good EWPing, in my opinion.[/quote]

Yes i agree, there are ways of stepping up your game with out making changes on the fly.