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Re: Redacted Heroquest

Postby The Road Warrior » December 1st, 2013, 1:50 pm

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I find this card (in general, not your revision) to be almost redundant. If you were to:
  • add an armour card, like a leather jerkin, that allows you to roll 2 combat dice in defence
  • use body and mind tokens
  • start each character with the correct equipment cards (you are already suggesting this)
  • create a skill card for the dwarf skills

Couldn't you then get rid of it completely?

chaoticprime wrote:Plate armor is not wrong--instead of having mail and plate mutually exclude one-another, they now stack with the same results. The two, together, make plate mail.


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I think you should consider using the original EU card text for armour. It is, in my humble opinion, superior to the NA revision and also seems to work nicely with the aims of your project.

The wording excludes the possibility of using chainmail and plate mail simultaneously while also allowing armour to be combined with helmets and shields.


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Re: Redacted Heroquest

Postby chaoticprime » December 1st, 2013, 8:32 pm

The Road Warrior wrote:
chaoticprime wrote:Image


I find this card (in general, not your revision) to be almost redundant. If you were to:
  • add an armour card, like a leather jerkin, that allows you to roll 2 combat dice in defence
  • use body and mind tokens
  • start each character with the correct equipment cards (you are already suggesting this)
  • create a skill card for the dwarf skills

Couldn't you then get rid of it completely?

Just my :2cents:


It is not redundant because there is nothing else that performs the same function. Its function is to be the interface between the player and character. This is not meant to be a "card" within the rules, so it should not resemble one.

I plan to use tokens, and this sheet instructs how many you should have.

How is having multiple cards with the same information better? Creating a brand new equipment card to explain a singular basic value is redundant, unnecessary and not in keeping with either the agenda of this project, or that of the original game. Could you sell this leather jerkin? If so, does that mean you have zero defense dice? If not, then is it the only piece of equipment that is exempt from the rules regarding all other equipment?

The whole point of having information on cards is because that information is only selectively necessary--it comes and goes as needed. The information on the sheet above is such that you will always have it, because you can never lose it. That is the reason why I changed starting equipment to the way it is--you do not always have it, so your base attributes should reflect that. That not being so in the original game has been one of most rampantly confusing issues for many players.

I am not deferring to either EU or US rules regarding how armor works, because the way I do it makes more sense logically, and it also requires less use of conditional clauses that somehow seem to confuse people. Armor should function in layers, because that's how it really works. You add pieces on. Wearing mail is not as protective as wearing plate-mail, but wearing a plates of armor without mail is no better.

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chaoticprime wrote:Plate armor is not wrong--instead of having mail and plate mutually exclude one-another, they now stack with the same results. The two, together, make plate mail.

Ahh now it makes sense! I really like this combination of..equipment cards :lol:

Can dwarf use his ability on a "rust" spell too? By spending 125 gold coins to save his helmet for example?
I also read your bowgun card. You are using a greek word (orthogonally) that unfortunately we don't. Selecting this word you prevent from the confusion of "are diagonal squares adjacent squares?". In our language those adjacent squares described in the rulebook as "body to body" squares..

You shouldn't let a disappeared hero to block your way..


Yes, though I hadn't yet thought of that particular use, the Dwarf could save his helmet if he had the ginger.

The exact reason I used "orthogonal" was for the reason you described.

The reason I let the Hero block the square was because it was a rule-as-written. That exploit surely exists because the writers of the Elf expansion failed to specify every possible interaction. The wording on the card is actually very imprecise. If I choose to redo the Elf spells, I will certainly not make the same mistake.


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Re: Redacted Heroquest

Postby Nephew of Mentor » December 1st, 2013, 9:37 pm

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Re: Redacted Heroquest

Postby chaoticprime » December 1st, 2013, 10:25 pm

Nephew of Mentor wrote:
Goblin-King wrote:Yeah I got the original box, manual and codewheel.
Can't remember- Did I already do some scans for you Neph?


You did indeed, and beleive it or not, I am still slowly working on it.


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Re: Redacted Heroquest

Postby Sotiris » December 2nd, 2013, 5:49 am

chaoticprime wrote:The reason I let the Hero block the square was because it was a rule-as-written. That exploit surely exists because the writers of the Elf expansion failed to specify every possible interaction. The wording on the card is actually very imprecise. If I choose to redo the Elf spells, I will certainly not make the same mistake.

Or maybe you could force him to move at least 1 square per turn because the duration of the spell is depended by his movement roll anyway - and your Elf didn't roll for 20 rounds!
I believe with that specification the spell works perfecty.
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Re: Redacted Heroquest

Postby chaoticprime » December 2nd, 2013, 7:42 am

Sotiris wrote:
chaoticprime wrote:The reason I let the Hero block the square was because it was a rule-as-written. That exploit surely exists because the writers of the Elf expansion failed to specify every possible interaction. The wording on the card is actually very imprecise. If I choose to redo the Elf spells, I will certainly not make the same mistake.

Or maybe you could force him to move at least 1 square per turn because the duration of the spell is depended by his movement roll anyway - and your Elf didn't roll for 20 rounds!
I believe with that specification the spell works perfecty.
Sorry for my off-topic post.


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Re: Redacted Heroquest

Postby Goblin-King » December 2nd, 2013, 9:21 am

I would have forced him to roll his movement dice regardless of his intentions to move or not.
In normal situations you can skip the actual roll if you don't want to move, but the phase happens anyway. Only normally it doesn't matter if you actually roll or not.
Nowhere is there a rule forcing you to actually roll your dice - It's implied with the existence of this spell though - but it's not RAW

I see your dilemma though.

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Re: Redacted Heroquest

Postby chaoticprime » December 2nd, 2013, 8:35 pm

Final artwork for this card is pending.
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Re: Redacted Heroquest

Postby Teldurn » December 3rd, 2013, 1:36 pm

The knife behind the back makes that a win. I love it.
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Re: Redacted Heroquest

Postby chaoticprime » December 3rd, 2013, 6:09 pm

That's chiefly among the reasons I want to ditch the sword.


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