Ye Olde Inn

cynthialee wrote:There shall be lady Fimirs

Well, if I understand Necron right, he even has miniatures of female Fimir (perhaps these "Meargh", but we could still use them as ... err ... caring mothers and housewifes?
How do you like the bed, by the way?

@Goblin King
In principle, you are right - there are some rare books out there which don't follow the Howard-Tolkien-Moorcock cliche, and those are the true gems of the fantasy genre. But HQ (or Warhammer) is all-in-all very cliched fantasy. A race that is just strange for strangenes' sake doesn't help it.
OK, I always found the Fimir somewhat - well, strange - but OK. On the other hand, the mushroom space orcs of Warhammer 40K just annoy me. We're talking about orcs here, for god's sake. The one contribution to the genre that Tolkien really made up from the scratch all by himself (the orc race, not the genre). The very core of "high fantasy". The most cliched race of them all. They are not in there for originality, innovation or diversity. They are the basic stuff to which new ideas can be added.
But I would hardly have noticed that the orcs were used against their role in WH 40K, would it not have been mushrooms. Mushrooms!It's funny, but that's it. Who can rejoice in having defeated a mighty army of mushrooms? Who would be so indignified to play them himself? Personally, I believe all 40K players just obliterate this silly concept.

I had a group of orc mercs led by a huge dark haven ork model that my heroes would use as guides or mercs sometimes.

In the RPG my group plays Orks (also known as Troggers or Kobolds) are allowed to be played as the occasional player character.
Lots of brut strength and a fanatic loyalty to their paycheck make for a great addition to a team of crack mercs engaging in skirmish warfare.

I've collected so many empire and human minis that I've often wanted to be the Good wizard GM Mentor and have all anti heroes devastate the empire. They could be guided by Zargon who reads from wizetomb. My heroes were fairly evil anyway but they just liked dark characters not evil ones. So imagine an anti paladin a necromancer and a thief justifying themselves. But they wanted to continue to fight darkness so I went with it.

I like to think that Zargon is Mentors diabolical alter ego. He is a madman manipulating empires against himself in a maniacal solo waltze of epic insanity.

Some of my groups have had that discussion before!

Doesn't the Zargon/Morcar screen sort of proove that point all on it's own?
Mentor is definitly controlling all those baddies on it.

-SadKitchen

I've always wondered if that guy was Mentor or Morcar... But the names are very alike too... :O
it's MADNESS!

Big Bene wrote:In principle, you are right - there are some rare books out there which don't follow the Howard-Tolkien-Moorcock cliche, and those are the true gems of the fantasy genre. But HQ (or Warhammer) is all-in-all very cliched fantasy. A race that is just strange for strangenes' sake doesn't help it.
OK, I always found the Fimir somewhat - well, strange - but OK. On the other hand, the mushroom space orcs of Warhammer 40K just annoy me. We're talking about orcs here, for god's sake. The one contribution to the genre that Tolkien really made up from the scratch all by himself. The very core of "high fantasy". The most cliched race of them all. They are not in there for originality, innovation or diversity. They are the basic stuff to which new ideas can be added.
But I would hardly have noticed that the orcs were used against their role in WH 40K, would it not have been mushrooms. Mushrooms!It's funny, and that's it. Who can rejoice in having defeated a mighty army of mushrooms? Who would be so indignified to play them himself? Personally, I believe all 40K players just obliterate this silly concept.

Fimirs:
I've always thought of fimirs as some sort of artificial or magical created race - Kinda like black orcs in warhammer.
As such it makes kinda sense that the females for some reason are sterile. Like mules are also sterile.
Well... I like the concept, some don't. That's fine

Orks:
Well, the problem with 40K mushroom orks is that they based them on orcs. Everybody loves orcs! And no one wants to see that race messed up. No one would have raged if the concept was applied to an original alien race. I still find their physiology interesting. Also there are no female orks!!!

Warhammer fantasy have female orcs though...

GoblilnKing wrote:Well, the problem with 40K mushroom orks is that they based them on orcs. Everybody loves orcs! And no one wants to see that race messed up. No one would have raged if the concept was applied to an original alien race.

I fully agree. But sadly they did base them on orcs.