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Found this on Facebook - thought you all would enjoy this.

My girlfriend just told me to shut up. fraggle, that's funny.

That's actually genius. Very funny

There's actually four more classical elements: hot, cold, dry and wet.

leave it to cp to ruin it for all of us.

I'm going to show that to fellow ChemE students and ask them if science has mad things more complicated. I had no problem memorizing that table at all... That's some funny geek humor!

torilen wrote:leave it to cp to ruin it for all of us.

There is also Quintessence--"Akasha, Void, Planar and Aether", technically.

Should "technically" even apply here. Classical elements are about as scientific as the Almagest.

lol that's brilliant xD

chaoticprime wrote:There's actually four more classical elements: hot, cold, dry and wet.

These are not elements but the "qualities" the classical elements were connected to (since Aristotle).
Fire = hot and dry, air = wet and hot, water = cold and wet, earth = dry and cold.
They are therefore accidents, not substance.

chaoticprime wrote:There is also Quintessence--"Akasha, Void, Planar and Aether", technically.

The quintessence ("fifth essence") was also introduced by Aristotle as the unchanging substance of the stars (as opposed to the ever changing four earthly elements). He called it Aether, and later more ideas were conneccted to it, like beeing the primordial substance from which the four elements are made. "Akasha" is a very similar concept from indian philosophy, "Void" and "Planar" are only very loosely related.

chaoticprime wrote:Should "technically" even apply here. Classical elements are about as scientific as the Almagest.

Science is a process. The greek philosophers who developed the four element theory were at least as ingenious as the modern physicists. The alchemists of the renaissance were the true inventors of what we call "(empirical) science".

Big Bene wrote:

chaoticprime wrote:There's actually four more classical elements: hot, cold, dry and wet.

These are not elements but the "qualities" the classical elements were connected to (since Aristotle).
Fire = hot and dry, air = wet and hot, water = cold and wet, earth = dry and cold.
They are therefore accidents, not substance.

chaoticprime wrote:There is also Quintessence--"Akasha, Void, Planar and Aether", technically.

The quintessence ("fifth essence") was also introduced by Aristotle as the unchanging substance of the stars (as opposed to the ever changing four earthly elements). He called it Aether, and later more ideas were conneccted to it, like beeing the primordial substance from which the four elements are made. "Akasha" is a very similar concept from indian philosophy, "Void" and "Planar" are only very loosely related.

chaoticprime wrote:Should "technically" even apply here. Classical elements are about as scientific as the Almagest.

Science is a process. The greek philosophers who developed the four element theory were at least as ingenious as the modern physicists. The alchemists of the renaissance were the true inventors of what we call "(empirical) science".

They're not accidents, they're properties--properties of a substance. The Aristotelian design labels each as what they are immanently--elements originally, and then primarily, and then secondarily. These cannot be any more than one of the three at once. Basically, fire is not hot subjective to itself. When fire and air meet, fire becomes hot. Fire was fire, but sometimes its hot, and sometimes its dry. The properties would belong in a separate array for the image, like how unstable elements are.

Aether was also once regarded as an immaterial element that filled up the Kaos (unordered space--the atmosphere & outer-space) thus bringing about daylight. The sun was a corollary--it only came out when it was daytime. Aether and Akasha or Void are the same in that they represent what is immaterial, the only difference is that in the latter cases that also means non-existent. Planar actually refers to a metaphysical plane--a fourth dimensional wave existence that is the origin of consciousness (according to some hillbillys).