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Re: Inappropriate Figures

Postby IvenBach » August 2nd, 2015, 1:38 pm

whitebeard wrote:
knightkrawler wrote:A woman with hooves and a pig's head, nipples showing?
A beast woman as above, but with natural hair hanging over her supposed vagina from the bellybutton down?
A naked fat woman?
A man with a huge cock hanging?
A man with a tiny cock hanging?
As a painter, I can tell you I wanna paint all of those if I have talent, money, and time on my hands.


I am so going to mod a sculpt into one of these for the next figure exchange!!!

I really hope I'm not the one that gets your mine whitebeard. Hey! Look what I got in the mail... :o :shock:


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Re: Inappropriate Figures

Postby whitebeard » August 2nd, 2015, 4:15 pm

IvenBach wrote:
whitebeard wrote:
knightkrawler wrote:A woman with hooves and a pig's head, nipples showing?
A beast woman as above, but with natural hair hanging over her supposed vagina from the bellybutton down?
A naked fat woman?
A man with a huge cock hanging?
A man with a tiny cock hanging?
As a painter, I can tell you I wanna paint all of those if I have talent, money, and time on my hands.


I am so going to mod a sculpt into one of these for the next figure exchange!!!

I really hope I'm not the one that gets your mine whitebeard. Hey! Look what I got in the mail... :o :shock:


Actually I was going to specifically request KK!!!
Has resigned from the forum and would delete his account if he could.


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Re: Inappropriate Figures

Postby cornixt » August 2nd, 2015, 5:06 pm

As long as there have been sculptors, there are been sculptures of naked men and women. If you are especially offended by it, then don't look at Renaissance art. Or modern miniatures.


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Re: Inappropriate Figures

Postby tasoe » August 2nd, 2015, 7:14 pm

Sidetracking isn't a problem in forums. Derailing is. I'm sorry if the conversation shifted but that came about normally.

cynthialee wrote:The problem becomes when marketing ceases to market to women and niche into a male only market. We don't see beer commercials aimed at women, because more men drink beer than women drink beer. So the assumption became societally that women do not drink beer, so marketing devises a marketing plan to sell more aggressively to men solely. Which feeds further into the women don't drink beer false meme. Yet if we look at the figures we find that women drink 25% of the beer. http://drinkfocus.com/beer/women-and-beer/
Now if we hadn't have pigeon holed beer as a 'man drink' would that number be higher? I suggest it would be.
Are 25% of the beer commercials aimed at women? No. Why? Because 'women don't drink beer'. But that is demonstrably false.
Marketing is run by a bunch of folks with outdated ideas that never were very good to begin with.
You don't seem to try and see things globally. Look at it from the other perspective. You are a company and you can pay for one poster ad in a prime location. Who do you try to attract in that ad? The majority of the people who buy your product. It's as simple as that. I'm sure you get it, but I can't understand what's your objection about it.

cynthialee wrote:Marketing is run by a bunch of folks with outdated ideas that never were very good to begin with.
That seems way harsh and overly critical. I mean generally people are unimpressed by politicians, public workers etc. Never heard of someone who thinks marketers are not doing a good job. Sure, they are sneaky and shifty but they get the job done most of the time.


I am more often than not in the minority of the buyers for a certain product line. I've recently been wondering why the hell did GW made those new awful Sigmarite warrior figures that make me want to vomit more food than I can eat. But still, their research shows that people will like them more than some more fantasy-like classic warriors, so they went with it. Personally, I'd like them to fail and go bankrupt, but at the moment I can't call them on the double standard that they please people who like the futuristic feel and ignore people that like the classic fantasy feel. They can do whatever they want with their product and their marketing tactics.


I know that it is impossible to change each other's mind with a series of comments. These few words can't overturn a lifetime of forming a point of view on a matter. I'm only asking you to think about just how strong an accusation is when someone calls sexism on someone's tactics, or racism or something similar. The accuser generally gets away with it, but the accusation usually remains even if it is unfounded. The impression isn't easily forgotten.


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Re: Inappropriate Figures

Postby cynthialee » August 2nd, 2015, 8:49 pm

It is rather hard to not use the term sexism when one is actually making a charge of sexism.
I wasn't trying to beat around the bush, offer a chance at excuses or even a nod to mitigating factors like 'it is always done this way'.

I was out right making a charge of blatant and systematic sexism in the miniature industry. Are there other industries guilty of this? Yes. But someone else also being wrong does not excuse others behavior.

Our culture is starting to get better and make forward momentum, but it doesn't continue when we make excuses or give a pass.
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Re: Inappropriate Figures

Postby tasoe » August 3rd, 2015, 4:27 am

Cynthia (I assume that's your first name), that's not sexism you're talking about. It doesn't fit the definition of the term. More strip clubs for male customers being in business than strip clubs for female customers is not the result of a sexism ridden society. It's the way the world is.

Assuming a woman is a bad driver = sexism
Assuming a woman is bad at math = sexism
Assuming a (beautiful) woman would do better on a promotion stand = NOT sexism but reality, good marketing etc.

Sexism has got to have some sort of discrimination included. Someone being wronged due to being a man/woman. If you can't find the correct type of miniature to buy, don't go around making sexism accusations, you haven't been wronged by sexism. It has nothing to do with it. Just the people who make miniatures didn't think that they'd sell lots of those so they didn't make it.

I really can't say anything more at this point, I'm not giving up, it's just that it may be pointless, as I've said before, to try and convince someone when they have a lifelong feeling towards a certain position. I wouldn't change my mind that easily and I'm sure you won't as well. I'm only hoping you heard something you've never heard before and it made you think of something new.


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Re: Inappropriate Figures

Postby cynthialee » August 3rd, 2015, 2:45 pm

Baloney.
The figures of sexy slave men and sexually available men, have never been made en mass, so they have never sold, thus they are not a saleable item, so we don't make them, they don't sell, thus no one wants them, so we don't make them.......

There has never been a line of sexy male miniatures produced and marketed by a major mini's company. So how are we so sure that they wouldn't sell?!

It is a circular argument that these types of things are not marketable. No one has even gave it an honest go.

I'd buy at least $30-50 bucks worth of mini's on pay day. I know if I showed such a set of mini's to my sister or my friend Dawn, they would both be so all over buying a set or 2. I am pretty sure there would be allot of torment purchases by guys. "Hey John, I got you a new mini for your paladin." DM places an Elf dude who is in a sexy pose on the table. Everyone at the table has a laugh at Johns expense.
I am telling you that a line of sexy male D&D style miniatures would sell. Would it be a top producer? Of course not but it would turn a profit if given a chance to sell and the line recived a fair shake in marketing.
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Re: Inappropriate Figures

Postby cornixt » August 3rd, 2015, 4:25 pm

Slave men aren't as big of a trope as slave women. Still, plenty of almost-naked barbarian figures for you to pick from, those are a big trope.


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Re: Inappropriate Figures

Postby cynthialee » August 3rd, 2015, 4:58 pm

cornixt wrote:Slave men aren't as big of a trope as slave women. Still, plenty of almost-naked barbarian figures for you to pick from, those are a big trope.

all armed to the teeth, none carrying a tray of canapé or tied to a whipping post....not the same. "The mini representing our meek and subservient slave boy will be played by this barbarian with a war hammer, and the guy with the fruit bowl will be played by this Knight because it is the only mini on hand right now.".....Just doesn't work for me.
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Re: Inappropriate Figures

Postby cynthialee » August 3rd, 2015, 5:07 pm

I think we do not see such miniatures because they are unsettling for the men who work in the mini industry. The idea of seeing a man reduced to a piece of sex meat for anyone's taking is a threatening visual that makes them squirm on a primal level. Yet they are perfectly willing to reduce the female form to a subservient possession to please the male gaze.
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