Heroines Kickstarter

[Anderas]

The times for burning houses are over.

That's a docile wish.

As long as it is about prices and consumer electronics, it's NOT war.

[knightkrawler]

Going after terrorists is also not war. Yet they tag it that. Going after drugs isn't a war. But they tagged it thusly.
I call sending soldiers into a country on your behalf without the host country really consenting (and I talk about people, not politicians) waging a war. It uses fear, (the threat of) violence, and power to put pressure on people.

[mukami]

Well I've learned a valuable lesson here: Don't start a thread anymore.

I made this thread because I thought 2-3 people may be interested in these minis, and with the KS only being 10 days anyone who didn't just randomly stumble across it would have never known. I never expected that each time I checked the thread to see if there were any discussions about the minis; like the elf's face is a little long but resembles the HQ elf, or it's kinda cool how that have adventuring gear but too many torches/lanterns; I instead see roughly 11 3/4 pages of off topicness.

I'll be backing this KS because I like miniatures in general and think this will be a good addition to my growing collection, but that's just me.

[knightkrawler]

The discussion of interested and not-so-interested people started a deeper reaching debate that has since devolved and then evolved again.
Kinda like a real talk. Happens. No reason to not start a thread anymore.

My opinion on the mnis themselves again:

OK, back on topic.
These miniatures - to me as a player and as a painter both - are unattractive.
Not the women. The miniatures.

As I said in the other thread dealing with the same overall topic this thread succumbed to...
I'd rather want some ugly, fat, unattractive, mongrel female miniatures than these here with their beautiful faces clad in layers of green and brown and rucksack.
There's the real hypocrisy of this Kickstarter to me: the faces are still the same old cute and pretty cliché (I find that rather incongruous with feminism, by the way). The bodies showing through the wools and leathers are still slim and impeccable. There are fat and ugly women out there, I've seen them. Some must be adventurers.

I have to add that on a third look, the bodies are anything but impeccable. They all look like men, broad shoulders, muscular legs and all, the Half-Orc having tits added. The faces are feminine and that's unfortunately it. The premise is fine, the result I don't like.

[mukami]

The discussion of interested and not-so-interested people started a deeper reaching debate that has since devolved and then evolved again.
Kinda like a real talk. Happens. No reason to not start a thread anymore.

My opinion on the mnis themselves again:

OK, back on topic.
These miniatures - to me as a player and as a painter both - are unattractive.
Not the women. The miniatures.

As I said in the other thread dealing with the same overall topic this thread succumbed to...
I'd rather want some ugly, fat, unattractive, mongrel female miniatures than these here with their beautiful faces clad in layers of green and brown and rucksack.
There's the real hypocrisy of this Kickstarter to me: the faces are still the same old cute and pretty cliché (I find that rather incongruous with feminism, by the way). The bodies showing through the wools and leathers are still slim and impeccable. There are fat and ugly women out there, I've seen them. Some must be adventurers.

I can completely see your opinion and respect it, the miniatures are a hypocrisy. I also kinda hate the way they describe the KS, they should have marketed as just what it is "Clothed and well armored female miniatures for DnD" because even in the updates they talk about using the half-orc for an upcoming game.

[Goblin-King]

The discussion of interested and not-so-interested people started a deeper reaching debate that has since devolved and then evolved again.
Kinda like a real talk. Happens. No reason to not start a thread anymore.

I guess there's only so much discussion to be had over a handful of miniatures...

I find them decent. Too over-equipped though. Bags are fine... but lantern, rope, 5 bags and spare weapons, and I begin to wonder if they can even fight properly. Also, why are the rogue carrying a lantern?
The pretty-faces are fine. Most people don't want to play as an ugly character. They strike a balance between pretty and practical. Normal women in a workplace can still have a pretty face and boobs.
In the pursuit of making them plain, they also end up seeming a bit same-y. Looking at them as a group they don't look like classes, but a haphazardly armed militia.
The marketing is stupid. It's like some cleaning product claiming "perfect for removing cat and dog hair" - just to make all the pet owners feel like this is THE product for them.
Here they are just aiming at feminists, making them feel like it's a product they should be honored to own; and obliged to support the KS to support the cause.
The marketing has that "We can do it!" vibe that just feels misplaced here.

[cynthialee]

Laden with gear is my crew. When they fight, they drop gear tokens adjacent to their mini and only have what is equipped for gear. They want something in their gear in the middle of a fight? They must be next to their gear and take an action.

[Decipher]

Wow. What in the hell is going on with this whole thread?

[wolfie907]

The discussion of interested and not-so-interested people started a deeper reaching debate that has since devolved and then evolved again.
Kinda like a real talk. Happens. No reason to not start a thread anymore.

I guess there's only so much discussion to be had over a handful of miniatures...

I find them decent. Too over-equipped though. Bags are fine... but lantern, rope, 5 bags and spare weapons, and I begin to wonder if they can even fight properly. Also, why are the rogue carrying a lantern?
The pretty-faces are fine. Most people don't want to play as an ugly character. They strike a balance between pretty and practical. Normal women in a workplace can still have a pretty face and boobs.
In the pursuit of making them plain, they also end up seeming a bit same-y. Looking at them as a group they don't look like classes, but a haphazardly armed militia.
The marketing is stupid. It's like some cleaning product claiming "perfect for removing cat and dog hair" - just to make all the pet owners feel like this is THE product for them.
Here they are just aiming at feminists, making them feel like it's a product they should be honored to own; and obliged to support the KS to support the cause.
The marketing has that "We can do it!" vibe that just feels misplaced here.

The discussion of interested and not-so-interested people started a deeper reaching debate that has since devolved and then evolved again.
Kinda like a real talk. Happens. No reason to not start a thread anymore.

My opinion on the mnis themselves again:

OK, back on topic.
These miniatures - to me as a player and as a painter both - are unattractive.
Not the women. The miniatures.

As I said in the other thread dealing with the same overall topic this thread succumbed to...
I'd rather want some ugly, fat, unattractive, mongrel female miniatures than these here with their beautiful faces clad in layers of green and brown and rucksack.
There's the real hypocrisy of this Kickstarter to me: the faces are still the same old cute and pretty cliché (I find that rather incongruous with feminism, by the way). The bodies showing through the wools and leathers are still slim and impeccable. There are fat and ugly women out there, I've seen them. Some must be adventurers.

I can completely see your opinion and respect it, the miniatures are a hypocrisy. I also kinda hate the way they describe the KS, they should have marketed as just what it is "Clothed and well armored female miniatures for DnD" because even in the updates they talk about using the half-orc for an upcoming game.

Did anyone bother to read the link i put up (here it is again http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/ ... try1258901 ) it is a wip that oathsworns owner put up on the reaper forum about his current home game and a couple of minis he made for his players, the members of that forum practically begged him to cast them up that is how this came about that is why they talk about using them in game that is where many of the marketing ideas came from so if you really dont understand these things go read it you will get the added bonus of reading a totally on topic discussion of these minis if you truly interested i suggest you read it (once again) and after that you could read this topic http://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/ ... -21st-jan/ or dont if you prefer to speak about feminism and poltics. So about the other kickstarter i think i confused the start date with this one http://www.darkfableminiatures.com/coming-soon.html which is super awesome and will probably take all my money anyway. I can not even express how excited i am about conan the barbarian minis from the movie of 84 this has been a dream since i was a small kid, anderas have no fear ill try to get the date right for the westfalla one for you and ill start a topic when it goes live.

[Ragnar IronFist]

I'll just leave this here....

(Not sure if I even believe it, but saw it just a minute ago...)

http://www.dailydot.com/geek/adult-wome ... mographic/