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Re: So what is an Ice Gremlin anyway?

PostPosted: August 4th, 2021, 10:33 am
by Kurgan
I would say not, they are intended to be thieves. The 3 body points seems excessive (more like a chaos warrior than a goblin!) but its to make it harder to kill them to get your stuff back. Considering they appear in quests where the number of monsters you face is higher than ever before (they assume you are fully equipped AND have mercenary support), having a weaker enemy mixed in won't get a complaint from me.

Then again you do face variants of monsters, like Orcs carrying staves or crossbows, goblins carrying bows, Chaos Warriors or Gargoyles with stone armor, that sort of thing, one off's that are a bit stronger than normal.

Ice Warriors would seem like a new type of monster, maybe do that!

Re: So what is an Ice Gremlin anyway?

PostPosted: October 13th, 2022, 9:37 am
by Bareheaded Warrior
Love the minis, but I think Ice Gremlins should just be Goblins with an icy theme applied, so same profile as standard Goblins (but with the Thief ability). This Quest Pack is hard enough without even the Goblins having 3BP!

Re: So what is an Ice Gremlin anyway?

PostPosted: November 12th, 2022, 10:55 am
by Cael Darkhollow
Goblin-King wrote:I think it's a bit strange question to ask. What is an ice gremlin? It's an ice gremlin.
But if we had to place them in Warhammer Fantasy, I'd say the closest thing would probably be a gnoblar.
They live in cold mountains, and are also fond of collecting/stealing scrap.


In Warhammer Fantasy 1-3rd edition they had half-orcs that had hair and sometimes beards, and 1-2 edition had demi-goblins (half human half goblins) that had beards.
but you have to remember that most if not all Warhammer armies back then were metal minis from other fantasy lines such as Citadel, Marauder, Ral Partha, Reaper, and TSR, and were often converted heavily customized figures so even pictures in official GW publications such as Warhammer Fantasy or White Dwarf often showed unique gaming models; Games Workshop didn't produce their own GW brand models yet (although Citadel/Marauder were their de facto in house brands.) The rules were a lot looser then too and custom figures were common even in GW tournaments. Many of those metal miniatures lines had Christmas exclusive or promo figures that had normal monsters dressed as Santa or were Christmas themed, yes even goblins; so Ice Gremlins are far from the first depiction of a goblinoid with a beard or winter attire themed. Snotlings occasionally sported a wispy wizard beard in some of the early Warhammer Fantasy illustrations as well.

Greenskins have almost always been depicted as hairless in Warhammer Fantasy since then (throughout 4th-8th editions) to further set them apart from TSR D&D orc and goblin types as a GW brand I.D.
D&D goblins had yellow through red tinted skin, hobgoblins were orange skinned, orcs had pinkish, greenish or even brownish skin and weren't depicted as standardized light blue in D&D until decades later. I prefer my goblinoids green even when playing D&D thanks to Warhammer Fantasy goblinoid brand I.D., it was a brilliant GW marketing strategy and most later goblin depictions such as Warcraft followed suit to become the archetype goblin color :goblin: much to D&D's chagrin.
GW Greenskins are obviously green with the curious exception of well... the Black Orcs, and GW Hobgoblins, often depicted as sallow colored (a possible racist depiction with real world Mongolian horde attire that perhaps led to their discontinuation.) Some old hobgoblin models appear to have ponytails but it is difficult to tell as they wear hats and helmets so it could be interpreted as part of the headgear. They even sometimes sport mustaches in the art of the time period! When GW partnered with Milton Bradley for HeroQuest we got the Santa bearded Ice Gremlins late in the HQ line in 1992 for the Barbarian Quest Pack, possibly after GW influence had gone its separate ways but was still included on the packaging for overall HQ copyrights. The Ice Gremlins still were wearing the gugu Mongol style hat so had obvious GW Hobgoblin influence. So did the goblin wolf riders, armored orcs, and ogre champion wear gugu hats in the Milton Bradley/GW Battlemasters game of the same time period and collaboration with GW. The goblin wolfriders look very much like the GW hobgoblin wolfriders from early Warhammer fantasy with goblin proportions instead of the lankier GW hobgoblin proportions. The models are a spot on match for HeroQuest and if I was going to convert a goblin to a Ice Gremlin it would be the old Battlemasters goblins because of the hats.

I believe you are quite correct that Gnoblars are the best fit for official "ice Gremlin" race in Warhammer Fantasy. Gnoblars as a race debuted in White Dwarf 310 cover dated 2005 and were included in the 6th Ogre Kingdom army book released in January 2005, long after Ice Gremlins in HeroQuest, but I do believe that they are the best fit for official Ice Gremlin in Warhammer World and they are the obvious spiritual successor of the earlier GW hobgoblins (from the far east of the Old World) and snotlings as well. They are thieves stealing anything and making use of scrap, have bluish green colored skin in many if not most depictions, live in the mountains, have cold weather gear etc.