Ye Olde Inn

So...I figure...folks on here might be around the same age as me. And if that is the case...then you might have some
fond memories of old TV shows, which might include Star Trek.

Anyone want to discuss Star Trek TNG or TOS? I know...absolutely nothing to do with HQ...unless you think about the
fact that plots and story ideas could be stolen and turned into HQ games.

Any thoughts or discussions points?

I'll recommend everybody to watch the original series.
If you can look past the low budget (which I just find charming) the stories are for the most part really solid.
While it may seem full of cliches ST:TOS invented a lot of those cliches. I find it to be a must watch if you have the slightest interest in science fiction.

There's this one episode where two nations are in a theoretical hot war with each other. They fire theoretical missiles at each other and a computer estimates the death toll - those people are then actually sentenced to death.
It's great. Many of the episodes really makes you think.

After the budget for set pieces were denied - wrote:Amazing! This planet looks remarkably like Earth back in the 20th century.

I love Star Trek TNG

I remember it being on every Tuesday at 6pm on BBC 2, followed by Waynes World! What a great evening

One of my favourite episodes was when Pichard lives out an entire lifetime in the dream of an ancient alien races time capsule thing, to understand who the aliens were...all in an insant. He learns to play his little flute in the dream.

Or the episode where they go to that old casino in the holideck, reinacting a book, and data counts the cards and wins the casino!

Or any of the episodes with Q were always good too

I, of course, am a big ST fan, though and as many of you know I count myself a Klingon fan first. So keep that firmly in mind as I rattle off my personal opinions, and that's all that they are, about Trek. You've been warned.

That said; I was a TOS baby, so Star Trek has always been a part of my life in some manner or another. My favorite series is DS9, but this is heavily colored by my fondness for all things Klingon as DS9 really dug into Klingon culture on a much deeper level than other series.

However, without Worf becoming a fan favorite during TNG, I doubt we would have been treated to the exposure to said culture in the first place, and TNG offered many significant starting points for future Klingon development. Additionally, I feel that a great debt is owed to TNG for the level of continuity and longer running story-arcs that would become even more common with future Trek shows.

To date, and I say this with a strong sense of sadness, the only really terrible show in my opinion was Voyager--though even this lame duck had some good moments. The next Trek iteration, Star Trek: Discovery, I intend to pass on entirely during it's initial broadcasts, and will not watch until it makes it to DVD (if it does), as I am really offended by CBS' approach and assumptions that they can compete with Hulu and NetFlix in the American market on the backs of Star Trek fandom... I, for one, won't play ball on that court.

Anyway, the first two years of TNG struggled due to some crazy behind the scenes politicking, and the quality of the stories shows this unfortunate reality with a very strange pseudo-idealism that made hippies happy and often lost Sci-Fi fans... By the end of S2, on the other hand, things started to improve and the show ended up being pretty good for the most part.

I could go on and on, but really the bottom line comes to this; I am almost exactly the same age as Star Trek. So it has been a very interesting experience to share birthdays (almost), with and watch the evolution of the franchise. When considering any given time of my life, I can look back and remember what was going on with Trek at that particular juncture, which films or series were in production, where fandom was at, and so on... It's pretty cool.

maj!

It's a shame that nearly all tv is just a serialised story now. Star Trek is always good to catch a rerun because very few episodes (at least of TOS and TNG) require knowledge of where it fits in the storyline.

In this order:
Lexx - The Dark Zone
Captain Future (anmated series)
Flash Gordon ('30ties serial)
Raumpatroullie - Raumschiff Orion
Star Trek classic
Star Trek modern

If feature films count:
Metropolis (1st place)
Star Wars (Between Lexx and Capt. Future) - as a subject to talk about, this would probably be place one.

If magazines count:
Perry Rhodan (somewhat at line with ST modern)

I tried watching Lexx one or twice...never could get into too much.

I'd have to change a few things about that list. Can we switch the Flash Gordon series for the 1980's movie?
And can we add in Seaquest?

As for Star Trek...I remember that episode about the two civilizations that use computers to determine who would
die in the war, and then they get executed. I was watching that one for the first time, and I remember thinking...
holy crap, that's messed up.

One of my favorite episodes from Both The original series and from next generation...The Naked Time and the Naked
Now. Almost the exact same plot, but a great story.

It amazes me, as I work my way through the original series (got the DVD's for Christmas), how many of the plots are
so similar between TOS and TNG.

A good plot is a good plot

torilen wrote:I'd have to change a few things about that list. Can we switch the Flash Gordon series for the 1980's movie?

Not for me. The vintage atmosphere is what makes the charme of Flash. Sweating slaves in the spaceship engine room, shoveling uranium into the fire boxes. Can it get any better?

torilen wrote:And can we add in Seaquest?

Of course. I didn't list it because I don't really know it. Never watched. Same for Babylon 5, which I heard is excellent, but I only ever watched one or two episodes.
Another one I forgot is Battelstar Galactica. Not sure where to place it. Alongside Star Trek, perhaps.

Stargate SG-1 was a pretty good show.