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Re: Crazy Thought Experiment/Logic Problem

Postby knightkrawler » Saturday July 2nd, 2016 1:45pm

whitebeard wrote:According to the extended problem statement (e.g. it has never been wrong and played this game many times before) your decision IS the outcome. The only answer is B. This is the only logical interpretation.


That's my original solution(stream of thought.
A reason for me to think otherwise hasn't been come up with.
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Re: Crazy Thought Experiment/Logic Problem

Postby Gold Bearer » Saturday July 2nd, 2016 2:09pm

knightkrawler wrote:
whitebeard wrote:According to the extended problem statement (e.g. it has never been wrong and played this game many times before) your decision IS the outcome. The only answer is B. This is the only logical interpretation.


That's my original solution(stream of thought.
A reason for me to think otherwise hasn't been come up with.
Two boxes of money, do you want one or both?

You've been given two boxes and two options, take both or just the one that has either 100 or 1,000,000 credits. If you take just box B the possible outcomes are 100 or 1,000,000 but if you take both then the possible outcomes are 1,100 or 1,001,000.
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Re: Crazy Thought Experiment/Logic Problem

Postby knightkrawler » Saturday July 2nd, 2016 2:13pm

It's in my first post in this thread. I choose B and am done with it because it is a causality loop (the egg and the hen) between my choice and there being 1 million in the box if I make that choice.
So there. That's really it for me.

As others have pointed out, the numbers are such that the difference between 100 and 1,000 is too small in proportion to the differences between both and the 1,000,000.
That's just it. There is no crux because of that.
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Re: Crazy Thought Experiment/Logic Problem

Postby Gold Bearer » Saturday July 2nd, 2016 2:21pm

Okay box A contains 100,000.

It's not a causality loop. Your thinking process might take you round in circles but the scenario itself isn't a loop. The one Whitebeard posted with the burglar alarm is a genuine causality loop.
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Re: Crazy Thought Experiment/Logic Problem

Postby mitchiemasha » Saturday July 2nd, 2016 2:23pm

For me this is one of those questions that has no right or wrong answer... Mainly as that computer does not exist. The question is designed to see how you subconsciously think (with out realising unless you've thought deeply into it) how the universe works.

Box A always has 1000 init box b either has 100 or 1,000,000. Either the amount can change based on your choice or the amount will stay the same, which is the model of the universe do you think exists?

If you take both boxes you believe the universe works in away that belief has no influence. Because, if there was 1,000,000 in box b there always will of been that much in the box, regardless to your choice. Same for if it is 100.

if you take box B, you believe belief does have influence, your choice can change the amount in the box.

I suppose it all depends on at what point or who puts the money in the box. If the question says the computer will put in 100 or 1,000,000 it changes the problem.


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Re: Crazy Thought Experiment/Logic Problem

Postby knightkrawler » Saturday July 2nd, 2016 2:31pm

Now, if I take this:
Gold Bearer wrote:Okay box A contains 100,000.


PLUS this:
mitchiemasha wrote:For me this is one of those questions that has no right or wrong answer... Mainly as that computer does not exist. The question is designed to see how you subconsciously think (with out realising unless you've thought deeply into it) how the universe works.

Box A always has 1000 init box b either has 100 or 1,000,000. Either the amount can change based on your choice or the amount will stay the same, which is the model of the universe do you think exists?

If you take both boxes you believe the universe works in away that belief has no influence. Because, if there was 1,000,000 in box b there always will of been that much in the box, regardless to your choice. Same for if it is 100.

if you take box B, you believe belief does have influence, your choice can change the amount in the box.

I suppose it all depends on at what point or who puts the money in the box. If the question says the computer will put in 100 or 1,000,000 it changes the problem.


then I all of a sudden turn from a believer to a disbeliever because of the sum of dough in box A because indeed I probably would choose both boxes if A's sum wasn't so small.
Am I an opportunist by design?

On second thought, I'd still go only for box B as long as its more positive contents is higher than the suggested sum of A and B if I choose both, no matter how small the difference.
I still see the logic in my process.
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Re: Crazy Thought Experiment/Logic Problem

Postby mitchiemasha » Saturday July 2nd, 2016 2:33pm

knightkrawler wrote: it is a causality loop (the egg and the hen)


It's not that... like what the alarm thing is. The egg and the hen isn't either. The egg obviously came first. An animal that wasn't a chicken laid an egg and that, that was hatched from it was more like a chicken, basic evolution. Eggs existed way before chickens did. But at some point, it's ancestor simply divided, the good old rib from Adam, asexually, like simple cells, bacteria etc.


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Re: Crazy Thought Experiment/Logic Problem

Postby mitchiemasha » Saturday July 2nd, 2016 2:36pm

knightkrawler wrote:On second thought, I'd still go only for box B as long as its more positive contents is higher than the suggested sum of A and B if I choose both, no matter how small the difference.
I still see the logic in my process.


I think i would still go for box B, I guess that makes us gamblers. i'd only take both boxes if it was box A 1000 box b 100/2000... But again the amounts don't really matter they're just fluff.


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Re: Crazy Thought Experiment/Logic Problem

Postby knightkrawler » Saturday July 2nd, 2016 2:38pm

Right now I also found out the meaning. Took me a while and struck me in the back of my head.
Box A is the suggested and guaranteed sum of happiness you can have.
Box B with 100 is believing in something (transcendental) without success because you don't invest in it.
Box B with 1,000,000 is believing in this something with complete confidence, trusting only it.

So, there you have the analogy between GB's model and religion.
But I don't believe in god, yet I'd go for B only because of logical reasons. At least for what I can grasp for logic.
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Re: Crazy Thought Experiment/Logic Problem

Postby Anderas » Saturday July 2nd, 2016 3:13pm

It has not a lot to do with believe if we say the computer was always right until now. There you have the problem in the question.

If this was the very first experiment. Someone explains all this. But there is no proof because it is the very first time this thing will be done. Then I could be weak and take both.

As we said the game show is running a long time already and the computer has proven to be always right, the question, the doubt, the need for believing, doesn't exist anymore. The choice is crystal clear and based on hard logic.


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