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Gold Bearer wrote:It depends on how you interpret the uncertainty principle, whether you believe Schrödinger's cat (google it if you don't know what that is) is both alive and dead. If you don't think that's possible then you believe that the universe is deterministic and there can only be one option, take both boxes.whitebeard wrote:Not sure this has anything to do with "the universe."
cynthialee wrote:Also....why is it space money? Why not Dollars, Renminbi or even the soon to be useless English Pound? {sorry had to throw that barb at our English guests...lol. Don't worry, your pound will still maintain some semblance to currency.}
What is the value of a Credit? The value of the credit could color the way I choose. If it is a paltry sum I may not even show up to the game show. If it is a huge sum, then go for the gusto and take it all...
Gold Bearer wrote:Another weird aspect is that if you believe that you aren't capable of outsmarting the computer
whitebeard wrote: The empirical evidence suggested by the problem statement would lead me as a denizen of your Sci-fi reality to pick box B. With the expectation of the big pay out... And if it did not, then I would have the glory of being the first to show that the computer is no longer perfect.
Okay you could prove the computer wrong but that's really outside the scope of the question's intended purpose.whitebeard wrote:As a logic problem, there is no problem. You said the computer existed, so from the problem statement I don't see how one can argue that it does not exist and does not function perfectly (so far). The empirical evidence suggested by the problem statement would lead me as a denizen of your Sci-fi reality to pick box B. With the expectation of the big pay out... And if it did not, then I would have the glory of being the first to show that the computer is no longer perfect.
I didn't need to. It predicts your thought processes and the decision that you'll finally come to. If you try to outsmart it then that's part of your decision making process.mitchiemasha wrote:You never said anything about it trying to out smart you or you it.Gold Bearer wrote:Another weird aspect is that if you believe that you aren't capable of outsmarting the computer
You've got two boxes of money sitting in front of you. One has a fairly decent amount of money, the other either has very little money or a lot of money. You can take both boxes or the one with the unknown amount of money. I think the obvious choice is to take both.Goblin-King wrote:I'm still not seeing the conflict. Taking only B is the obvious choice.
It would also stay at 100 credits if that's what the computer predicted.Goblin-King wrote:I think the flaw in the scenario is that, as you describe it, if I only choose B there is no way it can be reduced to 100 Canadian Dollars.
If I choose both and the computer predicted it the amount is reduced.
But if I only choose B the amount stays the same, even if it was predicted.
Same thing. I used 100, 1,000 and 1,000,000 because that's the way I read it. I just added the futuristic gameshow setting. The important thing is that there are three outcomes; loose, win and win big.Goblin-King wrote:Would it be a better scenario if there were two boxes each with 500,000 Ethiopian Birr?
I could choose one or both, but if I choose both and it was predicted, both boxes would be empty.
Then I would have the hard choice of taking the safe half mil or try and cheat the computer to get the full mil.
Would it ever be possible to actually get 1,000,000 Icelandic Kronar?
Gold Bearer wrote:The logical problem boils down to whether or not your decision can affect the outcome.
But IS it? If you choose only box B and get the one million payout you could pat yourself on the back for making the right choice, but then I could say to you: "Why did you do that? You just risked going home with 100 for no reason. If you'd taken both boxes you'd now have an extra grand AND you would have been guaranteed at least 1,100."whitebeard wrote:According to the extended problem statement (e.g. it has never been wrong and played this game many times before) your decision IS the outcome. The only answer is B. This is the only logical interpretation. Of course I did add more information to your problem statement.Gold Bearer wrote:The logical problem boils down to whether or not your decision can affect the outcome.
You can't ask the computer, it would provent it from being able to predicting your answer.whitebeard wrote:How about if I was allowed to ask the computer what money it put in which box BEFORE choosing... What happens then? My decision is predicated on what the computer tells me and I can force the computer to always be wrong. If the computer uses quantum entanglement to solve the problem, does the universe end the moment I decide that I will ask this question and choose the opposite? Or does the solver "give-up" and just become a random number generator?
That's the real point of the question, I'm glad someone got it.whitebeard wrote:Here I have linked the current computer's result to a "prior future result" which never occurs? Does that "prior future result" actually occur and exist in very real terms in what we would call another universe? And our observed result then depends on which (of infinitely many) universe we occupy. Is "causality" really a thing or just an emergent behavior we humans are unable to perceive beyond in a universe where space and time are interchangeable geometric dimensions?
Nor do I!whitebeard wrote:The above is 100% a Science Fiction discussion and is fun. You said this discussion would indicate how we believe the universe woks. To be clear, I "believe" nothing about the univere.
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