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by **torilen** » November 14th, 2015, 10:33 am

Just sending out some prayers to any Inn members who live in France (or in Europe in general, really).
Hope all of you are safe.

I live in the UK and saw the News as it was happening. Shocking stuff! I am eager to find out more and for no second do I trust the BBC news to cover truth...so the internet again plays an integral part in finding truth.

For all those killed, injured and held hostage, I send my deepest condolences ....

by **Anderas** » November 14th, 2015, 12:11 pm

The internet could as well be called "Net of lies". It would fit better.

The government TV, of course, is not always better. I remember the day when the german "Tagesschau" (it's a german government controlled newsshow... and the most popular in germany at that) told us "The rebels in Syria are crying for help. They need weapons." and then two weeks later the frenchies and the germans were delivering weapons. And Radicals.

From exactly these rebels, there was a well known offspring, who is now controlling parts of Syria, Lybia and Iraq.
As we couldn't allow that as well, we dropped bombs on people armed with our weapons... and received an answer.

I think we can trust the government insofar that they don't deliver information if that would break their operation. For example the french and german national team of Soccer had a game in a stadium where bombs were set off just outside. They cut the mobile phone net for a while and didn't tell anything to anybody in the stadium, in order to avoid a mass panic. And they did well! It was the right thing to do.

For the moment we can just hope that the governments are talking a lot to each other, our secret services are working closely with each other, and that they find the right course of action: One that doesn't escalate the conflict but instead results in one way or the other in conflict parties lying down their weapons and signing a peace contract. It won't be tomorrow for sure, but in 5 or 10 years there is a real chance if it doesn't get escalated right now and the EU doesn't break because of the syriean refugees.

Or they escalate it for real, but then with NATO involvement and hundred thousands of foot soldiers in the area. With a timeline like the other option, for the next 10 years - but it costs 10 billion more and we're again the evil west who tries to control the middle east. Plus it would allow Russia to do what they want on the eastern border of Europe because we'd be occupied elsewhere.

It's a huge, huge trap.

I just hope that it doesn't repeat; and that no-one i know lost somebody!
And for me personally i hope that they don't vote too much for Marine le-pen next election, as that would put an end to my living here in france.

by **mitchiemasha** » November 14th, 2015, 1:49 pm

Lets not forget that while this is a great tragedy, in some places this is nothing new and happens all the time.

Expect the oodles of conspiracy theories to emerge over the following weeks.

by **Baylor_OgreBane** » November 14th, 2015, 3:43 pm

Nous sommes Paris.

by **Goblin-King** » November 14th, 2015, 5:05 pm

My sympathy goes to the families of the victims...

by **Patroclus** » November 14th, 2015, 8:14 pm

Two of the terrorists have come through Greece in October, because our government let the illegal immigrants to pass our borders in the name of humanism. The truth is that we save people putting in danger ours. Nonsense, in a world of hypocrisy...

by **Goblin-King** » November 15th, 2015, 5:00 am

Patroclus wrote:Two of the terrorists have come through Greece in October, because our government let the illegal immigrants to pass our borders in the name of humanism. The truth is that we save people putting in danger ours. Nonsense, in a world of hypocrisy...

THIS! So much this!
I get furious at people's mentality around these things.
If you try to question the government's course of action, people get really in your face. They are humans! We have to help! fraggle everything you have to say you freakin' racist.
But the truth is: Some of them are actual refugees in need of help. Some are just here to mooch. And some of them are terrorists.
We spend a fortune on people who hate our countries while school, hospital and other infrastructure budgets are being cut every year.
Historically immigration has always caused problems - every single time...

Yes, I'm mad! :gargoyle:

by **Anderas** » November 15th, 2015, 6:23 am

For germany it could be the lucky case. We need people who take the work germans don't want; we need people to pay the pension of the Babyboomer generation. Best case we teach them how to do the work and then let them work. Of course that requires government action to provide language training, sort and separate the good ones from the bad ones, keep the goods and send back the bad ones. Apparently we have 190 000 people living in germany with the status "to be sent back" and nothing is being done. If we just sent these home, there would be 190 000 places more for people who are really in need.

However, there is so much hate ignited by the topic on both sides left and right that it really becomes dangerous.

I have a friend, Pradhu, an indian who lives since ten years in germany, works as engineer, pays taxes, and never received a single euro of social insurance. Nine years he lived in peace. Since the Syrian story started, his car was smashed two times. I don't know hat these kinds of people think.

by **Sjeng** » November 15th, 2015, 6:49 am

Goblin-King wrote:
Patroclus wrote:Two of the terrorists have come through Greece in October, because our government let the illegal immigrants to pass our borders in the name of humanism. The truth is that we save people putting in danger ours. Nonsense, in a world of hypocrisy...

THIS! So much this!
I get furious at people's mentality around these things.
If you try to question the government's course of action, people get really in your face. They are humans! We have to help! fraggle everything you have to say you freakin' racist.
But the truth is: Some of them are actual refugees in need of help. Some are just here to mooch. And some of them are terrorists.
We spend a fortune on people who hate our countries while school, hospital and other infrastructure budgets are being cut every year.
Historically immigration has always caused problems - every single time...

Yes, I'm mad!

Oh yes, so true. Makes me SO mad. And please, sympathies yes, but no prayers for Paris, I think the French have had enough of religion for a while. I know I have. Prayers will not bring back the dead. Religion is what caused this. Religion will be our doom. What are these fanatics trying to achieve anyway? More hatred and fear towards the Islam? Well, they got it. More hatred against immigrants? Yup, achieved. (Who knows how many muslims were killed among the casualties??? They just don't even care who they kill! Is that religion??? I don't get it anymore...) I hope all governments will stay out of the matters of Muslim countries from now on, and close the EU borders immediately. I honestly do. I'm fed up with the terror and fear. Nobody is safe anymore as long as our governments meddle. Let them sort it out themselves, please. We have enough problems of our own as it is.
Damn right this is making me more fearful of immigrants. Can you blame me? Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the normal people of any religion who live normal lives, I've known and know plenty of Muslims, Christians, I think even a Buddhist and a Jew (not very common where I live), and all are nice people, but truly, I prefer atheists. It's the few rotten apples, the fanatic extremists, who spoil it for all the rest. Religion creates differences, differences create fear and disrespect for others, which brings hate and intolerance. If I could, I would immediately press that big red button to destroy ALL religion. Don't ever come talking to me about religion ever again. I'm done. Stupid superstitions. My God is better than yours! I'm gonna kill you for believing in the wrong one! Yes, I'm sure THAT's what your Gods want. I hope they burn in one giant "hell-for-all-religions" and keep going at their throats for eternity. That would be justice.

And no, I don't think having a French flag over my profile picture is going to help one iota. That's just asking attention to yourself, because God forbids if you're not one of the mass with the flags. Then you might be considered heartless. Right. Herd mentality. If you want to help them, start writing your gevernments to close the EU borders and stop meddling in the affairs of Muslim countries. They aren't meddling with ours, so stay away. Maybe then they'll leave us in peace.

Sorry for the angry rant. I'll cool down after a while. But right now I'm seething.