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Electric Universe

Postby Gold Bearer » Wednesday July 30th, 2014 3:01pm

I thought I'd start a thread about something that I think is one of the most important and perspective altering concepts around and yet gets almost know attention from mainstream science for whatever reason. It's something that's very close to my heart so I thought I'd share it. If you like science and physics in particular then you'll love it.

The basic idea is the most influential force governing the universe and its behaviour isn't gravity but electromagnetism, which is known to be vastly more powerful than the force of gravity. It's what we use to move and think. It would mean that instead of isolated bodies in empty space, the universe and everything in it is directly connected to everything else through a vast interstellar, and intergalactic electrical circuit travelling through a sea of ionised plasma that scales all the way down to atoms and even further and all the way up to the universe as a whole. If you look at artists impressions of what the universe looks like as a whole it looks identical to our brains, with nerve clusters (galaxy clusters) and filaments (neural pathways) connecting them.

One of the biggest implications is that all stars, including our sun, are powered by an electrical current and not by nuclear fusion. They're basically light bulbs with their plasma acting as the filament. The other really far reaching possibility this idea raises is a very different alternate history of the solar system. In virtually every ancient culture on Earth you'll find stories repeating the same four (more actually) themes over and over again. One is a golden age of prosperity in the distant past, one is a chaotic period including a huge flood, one is dragons in the sky (every ancient culture seems to have independently come up with the same dragon creature) and the last is Saturn as the cosmic ruler and king.

The alternative story starts in the golden age when Earth, Venus and Mars orbited a brown dwarf (Saturn) outside of the solar system. We got too close to a star (the sun) and were captured by it. The planets orbiting Saturn were thrown out and into orbit around the star. Saturn, now in the presence of a much larger body with a much greater charge had it's electrical current supply pinched off and so was no longer able to shine, it became a planet. During this time the difference in electrical potential between the two systems caused huge electrical discharges to be exchanged between the bodies of new system, recorded by the ancients as thunderbolts of the gods (the planets). This machined off material from the planets and formed the asteroid belt. The charged plasma formations in the sky were visible all round the planet and were described as flying serpents releasing fire from their mouths. The pole shift caused a huge change in the Earths climate causing a massive flood.

The amount of evidence supporting this theory is huge but mainstream science won't shift its presumptions. It's a classic case of twisting facts to fit a theory rather than a theory to fit the facts and it shows just how broken institutionalised science has become, and in my opinion it's a symptom of the whole education system and the way that it teaches ideas as if they're facts. What started off as an idea that's centuries old and was based on the evidence available at the time has now become a belief system. It's extremely hard to shake off a belief system because anything that refutes it gets brushed aside and anything than can be twisted to support that belief is held up as proof of it. Basically the standard model of cosmology has become a religion.

The two newest videos they've released are a great place to start if you want to know more about this. This one is about recent evidence


and this one is about the Saturn story


I've been following them for a few years. I've seen the evidence supporting the idea continuously pile up while the evidence refuting the standard model just gets brushed under the carpet. Well the carpet is now about a foot off the ground. This goes much deeper into a conspiracy type theory that the reason this hasn't been allowed to be accepted is because it would lead to free energy. I could go into much more depth about this, but I think I'll leave it there. If you want to know more about this side of it look up Nikola Tesla. This explains how he was able to do what he did and why it was such a threat.
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Re: Electric Universe

Postby wolfie907 » Thursday July 31st, 2014 12:32am

funnily enough my boss was just talking about this theory with me a couple of days ago and it was the first I had heard of it


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Re: Electric Universe

Postby Sjeng » Thursday July 31st, 2014 10:11am

Sounds very interesting, but I'm not convinced really. I think large scale changes in a solar system would impact a tiny planet like Earth so massively that all life would change drastically or even be completely eradicated. No way could humans have existed before such an event and live to tell about it. I mean we know that if the moon should leave our orbit, life as we know it here will cease to exist. Let alone entire planets changing orbit, and heck, switching suns! This kinda stuff might have happened once, but not during the time of humans.

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Re: Electric Universe

Postby Gold Bearer » Thursday July 31st, 2014 11:11am

It seems a little much when you first hear about. It took a long time for me to overcome that to be honest. What attracted my to the theory was the electrical nature of the universe and stars in particular but I wasn't convinced on the whole Saturn story. When I looked into more I realised that the amount of evidence supporting this idea is just to overwhelming to ignore. It's all right there, everything you would expect to be left over evidence from an event like that is here and then some, from astronomical evidence scattered throughout the solar system to ancient cultures with no connection to each other telling the same story.

There's no reason to think that humanity couldn't have survived an event like that. It would have wiped out most of the population of course, but it only takes a handful of survivors. Pole shifts and drastic climate change are things that the planet deals with anyway. Maybe not quite on the same scale but there's no good reason at all to think it would have been impossible to survive. How would switching suns have been unsurvivable? As long as we got lucky enough to be thrown into an orbit that wasn't too close or too far away from the star it's all good. Just because it seems too big an event? Events like this are happening all over the universe.

Earth, Venus and Mars have a different chemical composition to the sun, meaning they can't have formed in the same place at the same time. The solar system as a whole has a different chemical composition to the surrounding galaxy, meaning there's been huge migration at some point. Saturn's rings are new. They can only have been there for thousands of years, not millions or billions. Saturn glows, it puts out much more energy than it receives from the sun. The fact that Saturn was once a brown dwarf star is practically undeniable now. Don't just dismiss an idea out of hand because it seems too much for you to imagine. Lots of highly knowledgeable people have for over a century have been lead to the same conclusion and the evidence keeps on growing. Given everything we now know this is the most likely history of our solar system.

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It's finally starting to get noticed. It's about time.
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Re: Electric Universe

Postby Sjeng » Monday August 4th, 2014 8:14am

I'm not dismissing it, I love these kind of theories. If and when science can prove this, I'll believe it. But for now, the chances of a planet switching suns, and ending up in the EXACT SAME circumstances for life to survive, are just too astronomically small for me to easily accept. I'll admit it might be possible, but higly unlikely. But I'd love to see discovery programs on the subject.

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Re: Electric Universe

Postby Gold Bearer » Tuesday August 5th, 2014 4:42pm

That's the thing though, for whatever reason mainstream science isn't interested in proving this, they're only interested in suppressing it. It did change things, drastically. This is probably the best video on the subject for people who are new to the idea.



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Re: Electric Universe

Postby Gold Bearer » Tuesday August 5th, 2014 6:55pm

That link in my last post doesn't go into the Saturn model at all, this is a lovely documentary of that part of it.



And this is a recent shorter presentation of it.

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Re: Electric Universe

Postby el_flesh » Thursday August 7th, 2014 10:06pm

Alfvén's models do not predict Hubble's law, the abundance of light elements, or the existence of the cosmic microwave background. A further difficulty with the ambiplasma model is that matter–antimatter annihilation results in the production of high energy photons, which are not observed in the amounts predicted.


Unless you have contrary equations to prove the above actually occur under the EU model, it should be rejected. It's a good attempt at an explanation....just wrong, according to current observations. That's all there is to it.
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Re: Electric Universe

Postby Gold Bearer » Friday August 8th, 2014 2:29pm

That's all there is to it? :) I don't think so.

Equations are to test the implications of an idea. If the idea is wrong then the equations aren't describing anything real. Hubble's law does occur under the EU model, but in a different context. It's been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that red shift is not only an indication of distance when structures with high red shift were seen physically joined to structures of low red shift. Red shift is an indication of youth as well as distance. Red shift can be an indication of distance but not of recession. It's what happens when looking across a curved surface. The universe is curved by gravity (and energy). The further away you look, the greater the amount of curvature there is due to the increased distance you're looking over.

The abundance of light elements follows naturally in a universe where stars aren't powered by nuclear fusion to create heavier elements. The standard model doesn't predict the right quantity of elements. There's only a third of the amount of lithium that there would be if it was an accurate model.

The microwave background radiation is probably not even there. The W-map is a result of the way they filtered out the interference to create what they had already decided they would find. The margin for error is greater than the value of the data it shows, so it's completely useless. What genuine microwave radiation has been detected is probably coming the ocean, not deep space. It's a complete joke. Even if there were detectable background microwave radiation coming from outer space, it would be far more likely to be caused by charged plasma than by the afterglow of an impossible and ridiculous supposed even that has no genuine evidence supporting it. Hubble didn't even believe in the big bang farce.

The EU model has a lot more evidence supporting it now than the standard model ever had. In some senses it's been well and truly proven, in that electrical currents can and do flow through space. They're the only thing capable of accelerating charged particles and of sustaining magnetic fields, so the underlying premise is definitely accurate. It's also the only thing capable of producing the shapes of nebulae and galaxies. Gravity can create a spinning disk but not one with density waves moving through it to create galaxy arms, or hourglass shaped nebulae rather than elliptical ones.
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