The Alchemist's Bench: drug pros and cons

[wolfie907]

no you are wrong it was not a joke. I am not overly great on computers and couldn't figure out how to get quotes from different pages that's why I did them separate and then quoted them all at once and I believe they are relevant that is why I posted them which I thought I had explained, I can understand some of cp frustrations with you as you are a busy body and it is annoying to be corrected by someone who doesn't get what you are saying in the first place

[Goblin-King]

When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.

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Have a nice weekend all!

[TMU]

Have a nice weekend all!

Are you trying to start a war?

[knightkrawler]

Denmark vs. Finland. That should be fun. Hitting forest and ocean all the time.

[Sjeng]

I can understand some of cp frustrations with you as you are a busy body and it is annoying to be corrected by someone who doesn't get what you are saying in the first place

Well sorry for doing my job as a forum admin and for trying to keep things orderly. And sorry for misunderstanding your meaning. It can be diffucicult to read someones meaning right if it's typed.

[Big Bene]

I'm sure if you were to apologise for the comment in the blog he'd come back. Do you know what his problem was and why it annoyed him? It annoyed me too. Saying that you're proud to have not done something automatically implies that doing it is in some way shameful.

Sjeng, if you apologise, I'll loose all respect for you.
I did not comment in this thread until it moved over to another, more intresting subject (snakemen), because I want to have a good time at the inn and I don't have the time to wast with pointless discussions. I also don't want to feed trolls.
But now I have to comment.

You made a personal statment which is absolutely legitimate. You can define your own principles and be proud when you adhere to them. CP has just noticed the opportunity to discuss a controversal subject. He loves debating for debating's sake (he even admits this himself), not to find the best solution or compromise, but to prove his "debating" skills. He knew discussing drugs would start a heated debate, and so he did. This is called trollling.

As for being childish I think he just doesn't want to be around people that look down on him for something that they have absolutely no right look down at him for, considering he has made his own decision and the fact that your oblivious to how condescending your initial remark was proves that you haven't ... I chose to let it slide and not to take it personally, KP obviously didn't.

CP did not just decide to leave, he put up an argument, and when others didn't fall for his point of view at once, he threw around insults and then left:

You don't know what the fraggle you're going on about. There is no scientific data to prove marijuana is harmful. You're just wrong, and also delusional. ... You don't know what you're talking about. You don't know the freakin' *lemony goodness* about drugs. You don't know what makes a junkie. Poverty makes junkies, *Play-Doh factory*. Your ignorance is just so mind-boggling

This is childish.
And he does so everytime. When his arguments run thin, he resolves on getting personal. Normally this is the moment when the opponent chooses to leave, which CP counts as another "victory" (a, b, c etc. pp.).

His and the other drug-supporter's arguments spin mainly around the fact that
"weed does not cause a physical addiction and has less harmful (physical) side effects than alcohol and tobacco".
Well, how educated they are - it was about time for them to come forth and teach the stupid masses the truth.
Everybody knows this.
And it's not the relevant point in making the decission which drugs a person defines "acceptable" for himself.

All drugs, be they medical or psychedelic, natural or chemical, legal or illegal, are harmful in some way, some more some less.
The human body (and mind) is a highly complex system and any substance that has any effect at all will also have side-effects.
Social standards at all times included taboos of psychedelic drugs, even when not in the form of govermental laws. Laws only reflect the social standards of a society. And most societies have some drugs that are omitted from those taboos and form a part of the cultutal heritage. Alcohol is accepted in Europe and it's former colonies, opium in China (at least up to the early 20th century), coca in the old america and weed by the Rastafaris.
(and yes, the last statements may be slightly inaccurate - I didn't make any efforts to double-check them. They are just the first exaples that came to me from the back of my head. So don't waste your time trying to prove me "wron" in these points).
When you decide not to use drugs, it's up to you to make up the details of this principle, and to define exceptions. Anti-alcoholics and agressive non-smokers and are a normal part of western society, but but not the majority. If you decide to take no drugs besides the traditionally accepted ones of the society you life in, that's a perfectly good choice that has many practical advantages.

Also, it's simply not true that exaggregated use of weed has no lasting effect. You can get psychically addicted. A very close friend of mine is. It's just much harder to proove scientifically than physical effects are.

[Gold Bearer]

You're being very defensive, are you okay? "(and yes, the last statements may be slightly inaccurate - I didn't make any efforts to double-check them. They are just the first exaples that came to me from the back of my head. So don't waste your time trying to prove me "wron" in these points)." Take a breath.

Of course choosing not to do any illegal substances is just as valid a choice as choosing to do them, but it's nothing to be proud of, that's just silly. Anyone can choose not to do something. And as for smoking is disgusting, seriously. Rape is disgusting, child abuse is disgusting, smoking? Seriously? CP didn't start this debate. He just his frustration get the better of him.

Lot's of people do think that it's more harmful than alcohol and tobacco believe or not. Chemicals that are naturally produced by our bodies don't have any side effects. The only real side effect from weed is a lack of energy if you have a lot. Laws do have an effect on what's socially acceptable, it's a two-way street. Some people really are that easy to influence.

It's not addictive in the slightest. No matter ho much you want it to be or how much you slant the words you right to emphasis them it simply isn't true. It's not hard to prove that a substance is addictive if it really is, look at the ones that are. Even if it were true, tobacco and alcohol are very addictive and they can actually hurt you. How do you know your friend is addicted? Because they smoke it a lot? I was smoking a lot of it, every day for about fifteen years. You'd have no doubt assumed that constitutes an addiction. I'd built up such a resistance that it was doing anything any more so I stopped doing it all the time. That was over a year ago now. Before my last lot I went over six months with any at all. That was a tiny amount over four months ago and I haven't had any since. I'm getting a proper amount tonight strangely. I've well and truly lost my resistance now so I can start enjoying again, and watching a football match just isn't the same without for some reason and I think we could do really well in this tournament, even though we lost our first game.

[Sjeng]

Anyone can choose not to do something. And as for smoking is disgusting, seriously.

All I want to say about that is:
- it can be VERY hard NOT to do something. Especially when both your parents were/are smokers, telling you that you shouldn't smoke. Teens are like: "but you're doing it? And my friends smoke too!" I chose to do what I thought was best. Not to please my parents. That might result in losing some friends, and in high school, that's tough. But in the end, those weren't that good a friend as you though they were back then.
- I personally find smoking disgusting. My opinion. I hate the smell, the smoke, people's ashy breath. My eyes tear from smoky rooms. I hate the smell that gets in my clothes.

Don't worry Big B. I still feel I didn't say anything wrong, and I did explain what I meant. I'm not apologizing, especially not to people who's only purpose is to troll.

[Goblin-King]

I prefer weed-users over cigarette-users.
Weed is illegal (like it or not) which means that at least the weed-users keep it at home, while cigarette-users mindlessly blow smoke and ash around in public and throw their god-damn butts everywhere.
Danish smokers are terrible! I'm glad that all smoking in all public buildings are illegal now.

Also in regard to legality of stuff:

There are a long stretch of road a little outside the city where I live.
It's a very desolate road since they build a bigger and better alternative road.
There are no houses or anything nearby. You have clear vision.
Yet you may only drive at 50 km/h (dunno what that is in murrica speed - average city speed limit)
You could easily drive 80 km/t. But that is illegal.

[knightkrawler]

There are a long stretch of road a little outside the city where I live.
It's a very desolate road since they build a bigger and better alternative road.
There are no houses or anything nearby. You have clear vision.
Yet you may only drive at 50 km/h (dunno what that is in murrica speed - average city speed limit)
You could easily drive 80 km/t. But that is illegal.

Is it because the authorities know about people's TUNNELVIEW?