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HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

Brainstorming topics for the HeroQuest 25th Anniversary Quest Pack.

Which Beastman would you like to see in the Inn's HQ25 Quest Pack?

a) Mv:8 At:2 De:2(2) BP:1 MP:1
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No votes
b) Mv:6 At:3 De:3 BP:2 MP:2
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c) Mv:5 At:4 De:5 BP:2 MP:2
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No votes
d) Mv:8 At:4 De:2 BP:3 MP:2
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No votes
e) Mv:7 At:2+2 De:2 BP:2 MP:2
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No votes
f) Mv:7 At:2+2 De:3 BP:2 MP:2
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No votes
g) Mv:6 At:3 De:2 BP:2 MP:2
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8%
h) Mv:7 At:3 De:3 BP:2 MP:2
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No votes
i) Mv:7 At:3 De:2 BP:2 MP:2 winner--4 votes
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31%
j) Mv:7 At:4 De:2 BP:2 MP:2
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No votes
k) Mv:8 At:4 De:2 BP:4 MP:2
1
8%
A) Ability: short bow
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No votes
D) Ability: none (already unique enough as statted)
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No votes
E) Ability: may attack twice or once with 4 AD
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No votes
F) Ability: 2 attacks with both defendable or one 4 AD attack
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No votes
G) Ability: +1 AD if no move (heavy attack)
1
8%
H) Ability: immediate counter-attack when BP are reduced to 1, (use 3 AD)
2
15%
I) Ability: immediate counter-attack when BP are reduced to 1, use 2 AD
4
31%
J) Ability: immediate counter-attack when BP are reduced to 1, skulls from defend roll count as hits
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No votes
K) Ability: +1 AD for every adjacent Beastman
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No votes
 
Total votes : 13

HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

Postby Daedalus » Wednesday September 30th, 2015 6:30pm

Discussion links:

1. Choose your monsters for the 25th Quest Pack
2. Which monster factions do we want in HQ25?
3. HQ25 - Choose your monsters + stats
HQ25 - The great TO-DO list
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HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

It's time for Inn members to vote in the second of 6 polls dealing with the six chosen monsters for the HQ25 Quest Pack. Each monster's stats and abilities is to be dealt with its own separate poll. If you're not sure of an entry's description, follow the matching discussion link for a fuller explanation at the original post. You may change your vote.

The Kobold poll helped nail down the stats, but the ability/abilities are still open for voting (choices P-R). Feel free to vote up to 2 times there to identify how you think the Kobolds should use the gang-up ability and weapons.

As with the Kobold topic, feel free to express your views and ideas. Entries can always be added, and the ability may need further voting.
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Re: HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

Postby Count Mohawk » Thursday October 1st, 2015 9:20am

After some waffling back and forth, I voted for option H in the poll. While we have yet to vote on them, the Minotaur is likely to end up with an ability to attack multiple Heroes at once, so we don't need the Beastman to do the same. On the other hand, since the two types of monster are related, having them both have similar abilities would then add to that connection.

Also, I prefer the Beastman with less Defense than Attack rather than having the two stats equal. Otherwise they're basically improved Fimir.


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Re: HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

Postby Goblin-King » Thursday October 1st, 2015 12:19pm

I voted H as well. To me it just seems so incredible flavorful to have the beastman react like... well a wounded beast.
Either you kill him or you only wound him and he goes ballistic on his attacker.

In the future Daedalus, how about making it a multi vote poll?
Have the different stats as the say four first options WITHOUT any abilities.
Then have the different abilities as the next couple of options WITHOUT stats..
Then people put in two votes. One for stats and one for ability.


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Re: HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

Postby knightkrawler » Thursday October 1st, 2015 3:30pm

I would vote H, but for me it is imperative* that AD/DD is either 3/2 or 4/2. I could live with 4/3 as well if it is to be argued that the Kobold already has 2 DD and the Beastman should have a different stat.
That is why I second GK's suggestion for a modular poll.
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Re: HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

Postby Count Mohawk » Thursday October 1st, 2015 4:05pm

For Beastman stats, I'm mostly ambivalent as to whether they should be 3/2 or 4/2, but I prefer either to 4/3, which seems to me to be too strong for this sort of monster. If this is a 2 BP monster, I would be more likely to vote for 4/2 than if it was a 3 BP monster.


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Re: HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

Postby knightkrawler » Thursday October 1st, 2015 4:30pm

Count Mohawk wrote:For Beastman stats, I'm mostly ambivalent as to whether they should be 3/2 or 4/2, but I prefer either to 4/3, which seems to me to be too strong for this sort of monster. If this is a 2 BP monster, I would be more likely to vote for 4/2 than if it was a 3 BP monster.


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Re: HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

Postby Daedalus » Thursday October 1st, 2015 4:59pm

Goblin-King wrote:In the future Daedalus, how about making it a multi vote poll?
Have the different stats as the say four first options WITHOUT any abilities.
Then have the different abilities as the next couple of options WITHOUT stats..
Then people put in two votes. One for stats and one for ability.

Weighing in the comments, this sounds like a good idea. In fact, I've restructured this poll for two votes, which you may change. RECOUNT! Sorry for the PITA effect, but I think the polls will work best as an evolving tool. Vote once for stats, and once for an ability. Both upper and lower-case letters in the poll are still keyed to their respective discussion links.

Note that i) is the same as h) but has 2 DD, not 3. I was swayed and switched my vote to the lower defense value, as I figure a shield can always be added in the Quest Notes.

by the way, don't forget to vote for the Kobold's ability (choices P-R) so we can finish that monster out.
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Re: HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

Postby cynthialee » Thursday October 1st, 2015 9:05pm

I chose e,E
Gor's should be bad ass.
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Re: HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

Postby Goblin-King » Friday October 2nd, 2015 2:32am

Count Mohawk wrote:If this is a 2 BP monster, I would be more likely to vote for 4/2 than if it was a 3 BP monster.

This is actually what I was going for, but it wasn't an option.

Regard this post as a vote for At: 4, De: 2, Bp 2 - Counter attacks if wounded but not killed.

I like the counter attack to go along with 2 PB. A At4 counter attack is pretty powerful. It shouldn't trigger too often methinks.


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Re: HQ25 monster stats and abilities #2 the Beastman

Postby cynthialee » Friday October 2nd, 2015 11:46am

Now I never played Warhammer and I only know the Gors from reading up on them when I got my hands on some miniatures of them. They looked pretty awesome so I incorporated them into my games.
From what I have read about them I think maybe these options are not tough enough. Gor are used as heavy shock troops. This to me says they should have sick attack, and marginal defend. I don't know the Warhammer system, so the numbers made no sense to me, but the spirit of the beast is easily enough to convey. These guys are hard hitters. The way they work is they don't often need to defend as they kill before the enemy has a chance to respond.
Some like to use shock troops as a softener against larger enemy positions, or to weaken enemy morale; but in my opinion which is often not so humble, this type of unit is best reserved for small engagements to take a marginally defended enemy position and hold it for a short time. Or to pacify an enemy population of civilians with a show of gruesome force. When they show up it is a slaughterfest.

Rethinking it:
Move: 8
Attack: 4 +1 per adjacent allied Gor. (yes this is sick and properly so I posit)
Defend: 2 (Champion: 3)
Body: 4 (Shaman: 3) (Champion: 5)
Mind: 2 (Shaman: 5) (Champion: 3)
Give the Shaman the Ork Shaman Spells and where it says Ork, insert Beastman.
Max occurring in a HQ Dungeon setting should probably be 1-5 soldiers. The need for balance must be preserved. And beastmen like to be out in the open anyways. Not many would be cool with living in a dungeon.

No bonus to the Champions attack as it is sick already and a champion will probably have soldiers with him.
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