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FIRST LIGHT discussion

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Re: FIRST LIGHT discussion

Postby SirRick » Wednesday April 3rd, 2024 8:09pm

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My original theory when I first shared the link is that it may a be hero expansion with a character that casts Light spells (like a paladin/cleric/priest type), and that it's a precursor hero expansion to WoM(Z), akin to how the Rogue is to MotM, and the Monk is AtOH.

I think the Guardian Knight already may fit the Paladin type role. Sans magic, it plays out like fairly similar to the role of a Oath to the Crown (Sword Coast Adventure Guide) Paladin with Protection fighting style in 5E. I doubt that AH will use Paladin, Cleric, or Priest in the hero name, as they've strayed away from deity specifics to keep the game generic for the table to decide those things.

If it's just a Light Spell caster, and related to WoM(Z), I could see it being a non armor using class, that may have it's own set of 3-9 spells, and possibly be able to share the Darkness/Protection/Detection spells with the Wizard. Ultimately if this were the case, I would love to see it come with 3 light spells, and 3 of each of the Darkness/Protection/Detection spells that are different from the WoM(Z) expansion, to be able to expand those decks as many have complained as to their overall usefulness.


That is something I would really like, a caster who can pick from different available spell groups like the Wizard and Elf can. The Clairvoyance, Darkness, and Protection already seem cleric-y, so I could see a Light Spell group (hopefully with a Healing spell) as well. I don’t want a character who has a set group of spells like the Bard or Warlock have. I would still like to see a 5th hero type character, someone with a couple groups of spells, who can wear all armor except plate, and use lighter weapons, or “Simple Weapons” using a d&d term. Stuff like Shortswords, Spears, Hand Axes, Maces, Short Bows, etc. Basically someone who could make use of artifacts like the Ice Queen’s Spear, and provide support to the party.


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Re: FIRST LIGHT discussion

Postby Markus Darwath » Wednesday April 3rd, 2024 10:18pm

In the current edition of d&d, clerics and paladins don't have to worship or follow a particular deity, they can adhere to a principle or philosophy. Granted, doing so with a cleric kind of skews the basic meaning of the term, but a paladin devoted to a cause instead of a deity doesn't really require any mental gymnastics. I do like the idea of First Light being a character that then ties into WoZ or some other big box expansion.
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Re: FIRST LIGHT discussion

Postby LucaRocks » Thursday April 4th, 2024 12:38pm

Does anyone think First Light might be a full small box expansion? They gave us small box expansions last year around the same time. This could be continuing this trend. There are plenty of minis in HQ that could be made as translucent sculpts or recolored somehow. I could even see some of these being repurposed into completely different characters. Like one of the Dread mercenaries being made translucent and being called a holy paladin or something.

Small box releases are all about the reuse to me. So I think it would actually be cool to get recolored minis and make them into variations of other characters. Like yetis being recolored into Sasquatches with new cards made up. Or Magus guards remade in white and called skeleton knights. I feel that the lack of a character name in the title points more to a small expansion.
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Re: FIRST LIGHT discussion

Postby Nickolaidas » Thursday April 4th, 2024 11:46pm

Really happy if it's a cleric class. I think the game needs a healer - focused character with an extra bone to pick with undead monsters.
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Re: FIRST LIGHT discussion

Postby Kurgan » Friday April 5th, 2024 1:02pm

So many possibilities for what it could be. Having it be some kind of smaller box expansion makes sense, but it could just as easily be a bigger box one. I guess my thought now is that if Jungles of Delthrak is coming out in late August/early September, and First Light is coming out after that, then it's maybe going to be a smaller release (one easier to complete) or else be pushed out into 2025. Then again maybe that EAN list is meant to encompass 2024 only, in which case who knows.

No mention of any Wizards of Morcar on there. I guess I just need more information, but I could see it being a small release released around the same time as Jungles or before years end. It being a bigger expansions that comes out before Jungles means they were able to keep it completely under wraps until now, which would have been a major achievement.

I guess we'll see at GenCon. That is the opportunity for them to show us a completely ready to ship version of Jungles, and we'll probably learn something concrete about First Light then, if not before!


Content wise it's hard to predict what it could possibly be as there are so many possibilities. But I think it will be a "new content" creation (similar to Rise of the Dread Moon or the Hero collections) rather than a renamed remake of some legacy product. Could it be the teased "IP crossover" product, or a revamped Game System? Also possible but the title is so vague it could be that or something else... I guess maybe I expected a more descriptive title. It doesn't mention any character type (what is this character, an actual ball of light or something?) but then conventions and precedents or patterns don't seem to be something we can always rely on in this franchise. Would I love this to be the Wizard or Dwarf quest pack? Of course, but the idea of them pulling away from that pattern (and given the lack of nostalgia for the draft notes that few have actually read in the community) makes me think it's something completely new, but as before, probably based in ideas that they have seen in the community, the kind of stuff we could predict if we knew a few anchorpoints for a good theory.

If it's just a cleric in a box, cool too, no problem there as long as its not exclusive (which they wouldn't dare at this point unless the franchise is dying, which I don't believe it is, thank goodness!).


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Re: FIRST LIGHT discussion

Postby Nickolaidas » Friday April 5th, 2024 2:54pm

Kurgan wrote:No mention of any Wizards of Morcar on there. I guess I just need more information, but I could see it being a small release released around the same time as Jungles or before years end..


I think it would be grossly unfair to have three of the four vanilla classes (if Delthrak is indeed the dwarf's expansion) be large expansions and the wizard's being a tiny one.

At any rate, isn't it possible that First Light may end up being JUST the cleric ala Wondering Monk?
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Re: FIRST LIGHT discussion

Postby LucaRocks » Friday April 5th, 2024 3:43pm

Hero collections have always had the name of the hero in the title.

Commander of the guardian knights
Rogue heir of elethorn
Path of the wandering monk.

So while still possible, it would not follow the pattern.

I think FL will be completely new, whether big box or small. Outside chance that it could be the dwarf pack because wasn't that one about mines and stuff? First light could be referring to seeing light again after being trapped underground. That's probably a long shot though. And then again, First Light could also mean when the sun comes up after a Dread Moon. So it may be a sequel to that.

Possibilities are truly endless. We can only rule out that it won't have giant gorillas in it. We'll, maybe lol
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Re: FIRST LIGHT discussion

Postby Markus Darwath » Friday April 5th, 2024 8:47pm

LucaRocks wrote:Hero collections have always had the name of the hero in the title.

Commander of the guardian knights
Rogue heir of elethorn
Path of the wandering monk.



The question would be (I'm too lazy to slog through what is a very long pdf) does the EAN list give those full titles for those entries, or are they truncated in any way? The ean title doesn't necessarily -have- to be the full, final title as printed on the cover, but having full titles on all the other product codes would be suggestive that First Light is the complete name.
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Re: FIRST LIGHT discussion

Postby Kurgan » Friday April 5th, 2024 9:32pm

Yep, lots of abbreviations, but no indication that "First Light" is an abbreviation as its a very short title compared to the others. See for yourself (since the source link was taken down)...
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Re: FIRST LIGHT discussion

Postby Nlinindoll » Saturday April 6th, 2024 11:23am

Markus Darwath wrote:
LucaRocks wrote:Hero collections have always had the name of the hero in the title.

Commander of the guardian knights
Rogue heir of elethorn
Path of the wandering monk.



The question would be (I'm too lazy to slog through what is a very long pdf) does the EAN list give those full titles for those entries, or are they truncated in any way? The ean title doesn't necessarily -have- to be the full, final title as printed on the cover, but having full titles on all the other product codes would be suggestive that First Light is the complete name.


The EAN list abbreviates “HeroQuest Ogre Horde Quest Pack” rather than listing out its full title. If they can abbreviate there, that indicates “HeroQuest First Light” COULD also be an abbreviation.
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