TRAINING QUEST Rogar's Hall

[Pancho]

I would absolutely say this quest would be played after the full original quest pack, if not even later than that.

Personally, I do not like the idea of Mentor venturing out with the heroes. If they wanted Mentor to be able to
heal the heroes, they should've come up with a different method of performing this. If Mentor can go out with
the heroes in this adventure, why not in all of the others? And why does he only heal the heroes? Mentor is
supposed to have power that at least rivals the Warlock Lord, yes?

And on a different note - I believe the Mentor figure is an add-on only for those who backed the game at the
Mythic level...is this right? Do they plan on making it for sale later to whoever wants it? Otherwise, it seems
very odd to me that they would specifically make a quest that includes the need for a Mentor figure, when
it is not clear if everyone will have access to that character.

I know, we've all homebrewed quests and made use of monsters for which we never had figures. This is not a
homebrew quest - this is something being published by a multi-million dollar corporation who is crowdfunding
a new game, who has access writers and designers of the caliber few of us will ever reach.

They should know better.

Remember that this is a magical dungeon designed to test the Heroes capabilities. The monsters are illusory. It does make sense for Mentor to accompany the Heroes here, even if he doesn’t on any other quest, if we think of it as a magical arena in Nuln, or wherever Mentor is supposed to reside now.
In my opinion the bonus figures for Mentor, Ragnar and the Witch Lord are by far the best minis that this company have come up with, so I’m glad that the Mentor figure is getting a run out here. I think this is a bonus quest, rather than fitting into the original 14 quest, which might also alleviate your concerns, but I could be wrong.

There. I just did the unthinkable and actually defend new Heroquest. Now I feel all funny. I think I need to go and lie down.

[Kurgan]

Stephen Baker has a lot of good will, so I'm inclined to give him a pass just because. The "Mentor" figure is among the "Limited Edition" minis. Obviously you won't need it to play this particular Quest (just like you don't need the Sir Ragnar figure to play "the Rescue of Sir Ragnar"... we never needed him back in the day with Classic), but it's a nice bonus.

[Goblin-King]

There. I just did the unthinkable and actually defend new Heroquest. Now I feel all funny. I think I need to go and lie down.

Just because you don't like it as a whole doesn't mean you can't appreciate individual aspects

From what they posted about this Mr. Baker made this quest for the fun of it. (Something something cool mentor figure something something.)
For all we know this may be a free download quest that anyone who wants to download it can download it.

It is literally a free downloadable quest

[Orc26]

Well played Goblin-King, Well played.


What I meant is that it would stay a downloadable quest and never get an actual release anywhere else.

[Oftkilted]

Has anyone actually put this new quest into the “difficulty checker” excel spreadsheet to see how it fares?

[torilen]

There. I just did the unthinkable and actually defend new Heroquest. Now I feel all funny. I think I need to go and lie down.

I'm sorry. I have TRIED to balance criticism with good thoughts. I've actually held back quite a bit of the negatives I have, mainly
because I know they are more my personal opinion and taste, and not really toward actual design or merchandising.

I really do have a big problem with the whole crowdfunding thing they are doing, knowing who these companies are. I know I should
just get over it, but it is hard.

Honestly, it is nice to see them even attempting to bring the game back out, and at least 85% or so like the original game.

And if nothing else, it has really brought out people to the Inn. Whenever I post on the FB page, I try to find a way to point
back to the inn whenever I get the chance - hopefully others do/will as well. But, really, I can't even keep up with all the
new comments here lately, and it's not all just about the new game, either. Maybe we'll get a nice influx of people wanting
to try their hand at homebrewing, and we'll get some nice quest packs.

[wallydubbs]

Has anyone actually put this new quest into the “difficulty checker” excel spreadsheet to see how it fares?

I haven't done it, but I wager it's harder then the Trial or anything in Keller's Keep and Return of the Witch Lord

Since the mandate is to play with no equipment, I'd rank it up there with the Frozen Horror group quests. The Frozen Horror solo quests are only somewhat doable with a Barbarian that has all his equipment.

[Pancho]

There. I just did the unthinkable and actually defend new Heroquest. Now I feel all funny. I think I need to go and lie down.

I'm sorry. I have TRIED to balance criticism with good thoughts. I've actually held back quite a bit of the negatives I have, mainly
because I know they are more my personal opinion and taste, and not really toward actual design or merchandising.

I really do have a big problem with the whole crowdfunding thing they are doing, knowing who these companies are. I know I should
just get over it, but it is hard.

Honestly, it is nice to see them even attempting to bring the game back out, and at least 85% or so like the original game.

And if nothing else, it has really brought out people to the Inn. Whenever I post on the FB page, I try to find a way to point
back to the inn whenever I get the chance - hopefully others do/will as well. But, really, I can't even keep up with all the
new comments here lately, and it's not all just about the new game, either. Maybe we'll get a nice influx of people wanting
to try their hand at homebrewing, and we'll get some nice quest packs.

Your post pretty much sums up my thoughts on this whole thing. It’s like you’ve held up a magic mirror.

[lestodante]

I like a lot the structure of the map used in this quest, as it offers several paths to follow leading to a common target but changing the difficulty level a lot.
The key is in room F: it seems like Mentor is waring you before you open the door with the Gargoyle and then will disappear!
So, if the heroes start the quest walking from the central room to the left door, they will meet the gargoyle and Mentor will not give them any warning. Not a real problem anyway, but an easier way to complete the quest because Mentor can still be with you while you face the gargoyle and can still help you with his potions (if any is left). He will disappear AFTER you kill the gargoyle.
On the contrary, if the heroes start the quest by walking through the top door, they will follow the opposite direction and Mentor will disappear in room F and can not support you anymore against the gargoyle.

[Oftkilted]

I’m not following your description as there’s only one path into the Gargoyle room. And that’s from the bottom right room with two goblins.

The secret door connecting the center room to the corridor with the Abomination can’t be accessed until after the Abomination and zombies are killed, which can’t happen until after the gargoyle is dead. (As the secret door can’t be detected from the center room.)

You can see that in the updated map provided by Hasbro